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Khattab
28-12-2004, 05:09 AM
Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane 'shot down' in Pennsylvania

DAY OF INFAMY 2001

Posted: December 27, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

During surprise Christmas Eve trip, defense secretary contradicts official story

WASHINGTON – Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been questions about Flight 93, the ill-fated plane that crashed in the rural fields of Pennsylvania.

The official story has been that passengers on the United Airlines flight rushed the hijackers in an effort to prevent them from crashing the plane into a strategic target – possibly the U.S. Capitol.

During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers.

Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy of the terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000?

Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."

Several eyewitnesses to the crash claim they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed – prompting the once-unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.

Although the onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers – immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked jumbo jets, remains the most unclear.

Several residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, claim to have seen a second plane – an unmarked military-style jet.

Well-founded uncertainly as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.

That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.

Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.

On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.

Vice President Cheney: "Well, the – I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft."

NBC's Tim Russert: "And you decided?"

Cheney: "We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time ...

"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate."

Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"

Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112

aboomohammad
28-12-2004, 08:51 AM
Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane 'shot down' in Pennsylvania

DAY OF INFAMY 2001

Posted: December 27, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

During surprise Christmas Eve trip, defense secretary contradicts official story

WASHINGTON – Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been questions about Flight 93, the ill-fated plane that crashed in the rural fields of Pennsylvania.

The official story has been that passengers on the United Airlines flight rushed the hijackers in an effort to prevent them from crashing the plane into a strategic target – possibly the U.S. Capitol.

During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington landmarks and population centers.

Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy of the terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000?

Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."

Several eyewitnesses to the crash claim they saw a "military-type" plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked passenger jet crashed – prompting the once-unthinkable question of whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.

Although the onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers – immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day, the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked jumbo jets, remains the most unclear.

Several residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash as they saw it, claim to have seen a second plane – an unmarked military-style jet.

Well-founded uncertainly as to just what happened to Flight 93 is nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second plane at the Flight 93 crash site.

That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could strike a target in Washington, D.C.

Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.

On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically, spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting down hijacked jets.

Vice President Cheney: "Well, the – I suppose the toughest decision was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming commercial aircraft."

NBC's Tim Russert: "And you decided?"

Cheney: "We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time ...

"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's appropriate."

Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the Capitol, we would take the plane down?"

Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those Americans on board?

"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had combat air patrol up over New York.'"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112
Salams bro
Thanx for clearing this point
I have always warned people against beleiving the official stories (lies),The truth always comes out , one cannot hide from Allah.When the truth comes falsehood runs away.The only problem is that many people even after knowing and reading or watching the truth of the matter will still be blaming Muslims for these atrocious acts and would not want to accept who the real terrorist are. The prophet (saws) warned us that when The final Hour approaches people will disbelieve the truth and believe the liar and incompetent people will be holding positions of authority. It is exactly what we can see in front of our eyes today. So those who have been fooled by the wolves in sheeps clothing, the makers of corruption who pretend to be the peace makers,should repent and ask forgiveness from GOD and follow the truth. Lets see some people call thids anti American propaganda, because in the land of the free one cannot tell the truth any more.

ApostateAbe
03-01-2005, 04:47 PM
Thanks for that. Ever since the incident, I strongly believed that Flight 93 was shot down from what I gathered on the web. That slip of the tongue puts the nail in the coffin.

ApostateAbe
03-01-2005, 04:53 PM
Salams bro
Thanx for clearing this point
I have always warned people against beleiving the official stories (lies),The truth always comes out , one cannot hide from Allah.When the truth comes falsehood runs away.The only problem is that many people even after knowing and reading or watching the truth of the matter will still be blaming Muslims for these atrocious acts and would not want to accept who the real terrorist are. The prophet (saws) warned us that when The final Hour approaches people will disbelieve the truth and believe the liar and incompetent people will be holding positions of authority. It is exactly what we can see in front of our eyes today. So those who have been fooled by the wolves in sheeps clothing, the makers of corruption who pretend to be the peace makers,should repent and ask forgiveness from GOD and follow the truth. Lets see some people call thids anti American propaganda, because in the land of the free one cannot tell the truth any more.To me, the evidence suggests that Flight 93 was shot down to prevent the plane from crashing into a populated target, and the Bush administration invented a story to prevent the PR disaster that would come out of killing innocent Americans. There is not yet any evidence to suggest that the Muslim terrorists were also an invention.

katrina1
16-01-2005, 08:20 PM
Hi Khattab,

<< shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, >>

It sounds that he is still referring to terrorists here, but I very well remember that the statement was made that the government was about to shoot the plane down just as it crashed. I have always thought that our government probably did shoot it down. I think the importance here is WHY WERE THEY GOING TO OR DID THEY SHOOT IT DOWN? We know for certain that the plain had been hijacked. If the plan was to crash into the capital I would agree that it should have been shot down. Those people people on board would have been killed anyway along with others not on the plane. I have no problem if the plane was shot down. It saved the lives of many others and stopped the terrorists of the ability to kill even more people. All American people know without a doubt that this will happen in times of security violations. Our government will not hesitate to shoot down an airplane for security reasons. We are raised knowing this fact.

katrina1
16-01-2005, 08:34 PM
Aboomohammed,


<<The only problem is that many people even after knowing and reading or watching the truth of the matter will still be blaming Muslims for these atrocious acts and would not want to accept who the real terrorist are.>>

Only ignorant and uneducated people blame all Muslims for the terrorism in this world. There is a world of difference in a radical terrorist Musslim, and a true, good, God fearing Muslim who loves all of mankind. From all that I see, terrorism is a contradiction to the Muslim religion.

SkyAboveYou
16-01-2005, 08:52 PM
From all that I see, terrorism is a contradiction to the Muslim religion.

That is indeed very true...

"God forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for God loves those who are just." [60:8]

knewagnu
17-01-2005, 12:19 AM
That is indeed very true...

"God forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for God loves those who are just." [60:8]

As-salamu alaykum,

Last night I read an article from a link found in the "An Eye at the World today" forum here. The authors opinion is that one can not read the Quran and the teachings of Muslims without coming to the conclusion that they are a bunch of hate-filled, blood-thirsty savages. When I was completely ignorant and started reading about Islam, I was looking specifically for these teachings of hatred so I could better understand "the enemy". I was overwhelmed by the messages of tolerance. I, personally, do not see how a person can study Islamic teachings and NOT come to the conclusion that Allah wants us to be intelligent, thoughtful, polite, courteous and humble people.

In my college days I was neighbors with a feminist. She was of the opinion that all men persecuted all women by the nature of their gender. I asked if my six month old nephew born on the opposite side of the nation was persecuting her. She said yes. There are real issues of gender bias in this world, but to take such a goofy stance makes everyone with a good cause look foolish.

Similarly, some Muslims may feel that anyone of a different faith may somehow be trying to stomp out Islam. That simply prevents quality dialog and meaningful progress.

Allah is great and wise. People are foolish.

I seek refuge in the perfect words of Allah.